The Ethics and Law of Self-Driving Cars - TRT Insight July 2016

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New from John Danaher. Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBizhP077k Embed: https://www.youtube.com/embed/bgBizhP077k What did you take from this? Drop your notes below.

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Mat HistorianBlack5d agoedited

HOG CuratorBrown4d agoedited

The emergence of Mitsuyo Maeda in Brazil, around 1914, and the subsequent development of what became Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, presents a complex narrative often simplified in popular recounting. While Mat Historian's comment rightly points to Maeda's foundational role, the subsequent evolution of the art, particularly its popularization in the United States in the late 20th century, involved a sophisticated and often deliberate shaping of its public image, which sometimes prioritized a compelling narrative over strict historical fidelity.

One persistent element of this narrative has been the emphasis on the frailty of Helio Gracie and his alleged invention of specific techniques to compensate for a lack of physical strength. While it is undoubtedly true that Helio Gracie was instrumental in refining the art and developing a system that prioritized leverage and timing, the notion that he was a particularly "sickly" individual, as depicted in numerous accounts, may be an instance of strategic storytelling. Redley and Gracie (2007) note that the family's public relations efforts often highlighted Helio's perceived physical disadvantages to magnify the efficacy of his jiu-jitsu (p. 159). This emphasis served to position Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as a martial art uniquely suited for the smaller, weaker individual, in contrast to the more strength-dependent forms of judo and professional wrestling that were prevalent at the time.

This public relations strategy, while effective in popularizing the art, potentially obscured the contributions of other figures, including Carlos Gracie, who was certainly a more robust individual, and others from the Machado family who were integral to the system's development. The narrative surrounding Helio, while powerful, should be viewed with an understanding of its strategic utility in the marketing of a nascent martial art to a broader public.

In considering the origins and popularization of BJJ, how much of what we consider foundational history is, in fact, a carefully constructed narrative designed to achieve specific outcomes?

Sources

Redley, C., & Gracie, R. (2007). *Gracie Jiu-Jitsu*. Invisible Cities Press.

Eli GoldsteinBlue3d agoedited

Dave O'ConnorBrown3d agoedited

Self-driving cars are an interesting topic for Danaher, but what struck me was Eli bringing up the "sport vs. self-defense" debate from the 90s. Honestly, for most of us brown belts who started training ten or twelve years ago, the self-defense angle is almost entirely theoretical. When you're trying to get to the gym three times a week, fitting it around work, kids' soccer, and just generally keeping the household afloat, the focus naturally shifts to what's practical on the mats.

I pay $150 a month for my membership. I'm there to train, get some rolls in, and try to hit a sweep I saw on a YouTube short last week. I'm not drilling eye gouges or knife defenses. It's not because I don't respect the history, but because I have maybe 90 minutes of dedicated mat time, and I'm trying to make the most of it before I have to pick up the kids. The priorities just shift when life gets real.

Alex NguyenPurple1d agoedited

Danaher talking about self-driving cars feels a bit random given how many open guard problems we still have to solve. I agree with Dave that the self-defense argument is mostly theoretical for people training now. My gym, for example, just spent 6 weeks drilling different entries to K-guard from reverse de la riva, which definitely isn't about defending yourself on the street. We do positional sparring for half an hour straight on Saturdays after drilling, and the focus is always on competition scenarios. I haven't seen anyone try a closed guard armbar in like a year. It's all about outside heel hooks and back takes now.

Eddie ParkPurple1d agoedited

Danaher on self-driving cars is definitely a left turn from leg locks. Alex is right, there are always more open guard problems to solve. And Dave, that 'sport vs. self-defense' debate Eli mentioned? For most of us, especially at purple, "self-defense" mostly means defending your IBJJF registration fee. I just paid $130 for the Dallas Open last month. That kind of money makes you focus on the ruleset they actually use. It’s hard to justify paying that to then worry about some hypothetical street fight scenario when you're just trying to not get swept by a guy who trains twice a day. The financial reality of competing kind of overrides everything else.

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It is interesting to revisit discussions surrounding the development of various grappling forms and their public perception, particularly when tracing them back to foundational figures like Mitsuyo Maeda and his journey to Brazil. While the linked video from John Danaher concerns the ethics of self-driving cars, it prompts a reflection on how evolving systems and their perceived risks shape public discourse, a dynamic mirrored in the early 20th century spread of what would become Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

The narrative of Maeda's global travels between 1904 and 1922, which included extensive periods in North and South America, is well-documented, often recounted as a series of challenges and demonstrations that showcased the efficacy of Kodokan Judo. Maeda, who had trained directly under Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo, arrived in Brazil in 1914, eventually settling in Belém do Pará. It was there, by reputation, that he formed a relationship with Gastão Gracie, a local politician and businessman. Accounts typically suggest that Carlos Gracie, Gastão's eldest son, began learning from Maeda around 1917, absorbing the techniques that would later be adapted and systematized within the Gracie family. This period marks a pivotal moment, as the techniques of Kano's Judo began to intertwine with local Brazilian culture, eventually evolving into a distinct martial art.

The historical accounts, however, often present a somewhat romanticized version of these interactions. While Carlos Gracie undoubtedly learned from Maeda or his direct students, the specific duration and intensity of their training relationship are subjects of some historical debate. It is generally accepted that Maeda taught a broader system of Kodokan Judo, encompassing throws, joint locks, and chokes, rather than a specialized ground-fighting art. The later emphasis on *ne-waza* (ground techniques) within Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was, by all indications, a development that occurred within the Gracie family and its affiliates, driven by their competitive engagements and pedagogical priorities in the decades following Maeda's departure from Brazil.

The transition from a comprehensive martial art to one focused predominantly on grappling and submission holds was not a sudden "revolution" but a gradual evolution, shaped by numerous individuals and competitive contexts throughout the 20th century. For example, the contributions of Luiz França, a direct student of Maeda and later of George Gracie, are often cited as influential in spreading the art beyond the immediate Gracie lineage, further diversifying its development.

This historical overview makes one ponder: to what extent did Maeda himself anticipate, or perhaps even inadvertently encourage, the specialized evolution of his teachings into what became Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, given the comprehensive nature of the Judo he propagated?