May 6, 2026, 8:54 PM
Real problem I have every week. Same fundamentals class. The wrestler doesn't need help with the takedown but needs the framing detail. The new student needs the takedown more than the framing detail.
What works for me: pair strangers on purpose. Wrestler partners with someone who can use the takedown coaching, new student partners with someone who patiently corrects the framing.
But I still feel like I'm short-changing one or the other. Curious how other coaches think about this.
Alright, let's cut through the noise on this one. The idea that you’re “short-changing” someone because their learning curve is different for the same technique is a misunderstanding of what a fundamentals class *is*. You’re not a Michelin-star chef trying to deliver identical experiences to every diner; you’re running a classroom.
I saw a few folks in the thread advocating for "just teach to the lowest common denominator" or "trust your advanced students to know what they need." Neither of those really land for me. The problem isn't the students; it's the expectation that everyone needs the exact same thing from the same drill, at the same moment. You're trying to teach a move, not bake a cake.
Here’s the thing: the technique *is* the technique. Whether it's a double leg or an armbar, there are core mechanics that don't change based on who's doing it. What changes is where the student is in their understanding of those mechanics. Your 200-pound wrestler doesn't "need help with the takedown" in the same way your new student does, but that doesn't mean they don't benefit from drilling the foundational *details* of that takedown. Think about someone like Marcelo Garcia. Even at the peak of his career, he was drilling *fundamentals*. He wasn't skipping warm-ups to go straight to rolling with five black belts.
My take? You teach the *concept* of the technique to the whole class, emphasizing the "why" behind each step. Then, you layer in "advanced applications" or "common counters" that are still within the realm of the fundamental. For your wrestler, the takedown isn't the lesson; the *setup* for the takedown, the *timing* of the shot, or the *finish* against a different type of resistance, those are the details. For the new student, it’s about understanding the basic footwork, the grip, the drive.
You aren't short-changing anyone by giving them what they need. You’re short-changing them if you *don't* cater to their individual learning points within the broader lesson. You nailed it with "pair strangers on purpose" – that's often the best accelerator for everyone. The wrestler gets to articulate and refine their understanding by coaching, which is a legitimate way to learn. The new student gets focused attention on the raw mechanics. It's not perfect, but it's the most efficient use of class time.
The real question isn't how you teach the same technique differently, it's how you teach the *same fundamental principles* in a way that resonates with varying levels of experience. And honestly, isn't that just good coaching?
The question of how to tailor instruction within a single class setting, particularly when students present with vastly different backgrounds and physical attributes, is a recurring challenge that has been addressed, implicitly or explicitly, throughout the development of grappling arts. The idea that a single, standardized curriculum might not optimally serve every student is not new, and indeed, the very structure of many early grappling academies often relied on a more individualized, apprentice-like model, at least for advanced students.
Consider the early days of Kodokan Judo, founded by Jigoro Kano in 1882. While Kano systematized techniques and established a clear pedagogical framework, the actual transmission of knowledge often involved a close relationship between a student and a senior practitioner, or *sempai*, who would adapt instruction based on the student's aptitude and physical characteristics. This was not a uniform, "one-size-fits-all" approach, especially once students progressed beyond the most basic foundational movements. The emphasis was on the individual's progression within the system, not necessarily on a perfectly identical learning experience for all.
When Mitsuyo Maeda began his travels, eventually arriving in Brazil in 1914 and teaching the developing form of *judo* or *jiu-jitsu* to Gastão Gracie and his sons, the instruction was again highly personalized. The Gracie family’s subsequent development of what became known as Gracie Jiu-Jitsu or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was, by reputation, initially a highly adaptive system, emphasizing techniques that could be effective for smaller, weaker individuals against larger, stronger opponents. This necessarily meant that the application and teaching of a particular technique, such as an armbar or a choke, would vary depending on the student's body type and existing physical skills. For example, a technique might be taught with an emphasis on leverage for a smaller student, while a larger, stronger student might focus more on precision and control, even if the fundamental mechanics were the same.
The "sickly Helio" narrative, which suggests Helio Gracie developed many techniques to compensate for his perceived physical frailty, is often cited as a cornerstone of BJJ's emphasis on leverage over strength. While this narrative is complex and perhaps more of a promotional construct than a precise historical account in its entirety—Helio was a very capable athlete—it undeniably highlights the lineage's focus on adaptable technique. The core principle was that the technique, not brute force, should prevail, implying that the application would always be adjusted to the practitioner.
Therefore, the concern expressed in the original thread about "short-changing" students might be viewed through this historical lens. Perhaps the expectation of identical outcomes for diverse students within a single "fundamentals" class is itself a modern construct, rather than an inherent feature of effective grappling instruction. The question then becomes not how to make two disparate students learn *identically*, but how to ensure both learn *effectively* within their own context. Would it be more accurate to say that the goal of a fundamentals class, historically, was to provide a common *language* of movement and concepts, allowing for individual application and refinement, rather than a uniform execution of every detail for every student?
The idea that a "fundamentals class" needs to be structured around teaching the same move to everyone equally is a bit off if your goal is actual development, not just checking boxes for an IBJJF curriculum. You’re always going to have people with different backgrounds.
If the wrestler already has a solid takedown game, why spend their time on rudimentary setups? Maybe they need to work on finishing submissions from positions like front headlock, which is huge in no-gi. A beginner needs to learn basic controls, sure, but a wrestler could be refining their leg attacks or counter-wrestling from bottom. Trying to force a uniform lesson often means nobody gets what they truly need. Look at guys like Lachlan Giles — his instructionals break things down by *concept*, not just technique, which lets people at different levels extract what's useful.
The curriculum structure at GB definitely aims for consistency, which is tough with a mix of experience levels. Jay mentioned the "checking boxes for an IBJJF curriculum," and it can feel like that sometimes. In our Fundamentals program, week 3, when we’re on basic mount escapes, the instructor usually demos the upa and trap for everyone. But then it’s up to the instructor to walk around and tweak.
The focus is usually on the brand-new white belts getting the motion down. For someone with wrestling, like you mentioned, they'd get less direct coaching on the upa itself and more on the framing or hand placement details. It's not perfect because that wrestler still has to drill the basic upa with everyone else, even if they've had it down for years. We often just get told to "help your partner" if we already know the move, which isn't always helpful for our own development.
I've definitely felt this as a student. Sometimes a coach will demo a sweep from half guard and the whole room practices it. The brand new white belts are trying to get the basic motion down, and I'm over here thinking about how my coach, Brian, showed us a specific grip break to set it up last Thursday. If it's a newer blue belt, maybe they are just trying to get the timing of the rotation right.
It sounds like a tough situation to manage as an instructor, since you want to give everyone something to work on. I wonder if there's a way to give them different drilling assignments after the initial demo? Like, the new student does 10 reps focusing on the takedown, and the wrestler does 10 reps focusing on the framing, even though they're still drilling together.
This hits home. I started BJJ in 2017 after two decades of judo, and the contrast in teaching methodology between a traditional judo dojo and most BJJ schools is stark. In judo, for a technique like kosoto gari, you'd teach the core *kuzushi* and *tsukuri* to everyone, but advanced students would immediately be working on combining it with other throws or counters. Beginners would just focus on footwork.
Jay's point about actual development over checking boxes resonates. I think the instructor's biggest job here is observation. If I'm drilling a basic armbar from guard, and I see a newer student struggling with hip movement, I'll cue them specifically. If the 200-pound wrestler has that down, I'd give them a specific challenge: "Can you hit that armbar against a partner resisting early to establish *sankaku*?" That way, the same technique becomes a different problem to solve based on individual experience.
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