May 12, 2026, 2:36 PM
From Stephan Kesting.
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Join HOGThe Kimura, for all its undeniable utility, is not some magic leverage bullet against bigger opponents. If your goal is *submission* against a genuinely larger, stronger grappler, you need to understand that the "leverage" most people talk about isn't what's going to get you the tap. Mat Historian’s right to point to the mid-20th century origins of the perceived understanding, but that understanding often skipped over the practical realities of a resisting opponent.
Think about it: the core premise is shoulder rotation. To get that rotation to a breaking point, you need to control the tricep and the wrist. Against someone significantly bigger, they're not just going to let you isolate those points without a fight. Their arm is thicker, their grip is stronger, and their ability to generate rotational force *out* of the Kimura is far greater. If you’re trying to submit a bigger person with a Kimura from, say, side control, you are now betting on your ability to:
What you *are* maximizing, often, is control. A Kimura grip from top half-guard, or even bottom half-guard, is a fantastic way to compromise a bigger opponent's base, limit their offense, and create sweep opportunities. Look at the late, great Leandro Lo; he was a master of using the Kimura as a control framework, not always as a submission endgame against larger foes. He’d use it to off-balance, to sweep, to transition to the back. The submission was often a secondary threat, a *bonus* if the stars aligned, not the primary objective.
If you’re a smaller person trying to *submit* a bigger person with a Kimura, you're better off looking for it in transitions, when they're off-balance, or as a follow-up to another attack. A standalone Kimura from a stable position against a fresh, bigger opponent is more likely to give you a great control position than a tap. It’s less about a secret leverage point and more about timing, setup, and integrating it into a broader attack chain. Your actual leverage against a bigger opponent comes from their instability, not your grip.
Am I wrong? Is there a secret to the standalone Kimura submission against a beast I'm missing?